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Radicals and Plotkin's problem concerning geometrically equivalent groups
Author(s):
Rüdiger
Göbel;
Saharon
Shelah
Journal:
Proc. Amer. Math. Soc.
130
(2002),
673-674.
MSC (2000):
Primary 20E06, 20E10, 20E32;
Secondary 20F06
Posted:
September 28, 2001
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If and are groups and is a normal subgroup of , then the -closure of in is the normal subgroup of . In particular, is the -radical of . Plotkin calls two groups and geometrically equivalent, written , if for any free group of finite rank and any normal subgroup of the -closure and the -closure of in are the same. Quasi-identities are formulas of the form for any words in a free group. Generally geometrically equivalent groups satisfy the same quasi-identities. Plotkin showed that nilpotent groups and satisfy the same quasi-identities if and only if and are geometrically equivalent. Hence he conjectured that this might hold for any pair of groups. We provide a counterexample.
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Rüdiger
Göbel
Affiliation:
Fachbereich 6, Mathematik und Informatik, Universität Essen, 45117 Essen, Germany
Email:
R.Goebel@uni-essen.de
Saharon
Shelah
Affiliation:
Department of Mathematics, Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel--and--Rutgers University, New Brunswick, New Jersey
Email:
Shelah@math.huji.ac.il
DOI:
10.1090/S0002-9939-01-06108-1
PII:
S 0002-9939(01)06108-1
Received by editor(s):
September 6, 2000
Received by editor(s) in revised form:
September 21, 2000
Posted:
September 28, 2001
Additional Notes:
The authors were supported by project No. G 0545-173, 06/97 of the German-Israeli Foundation for Scientific Research & Development. This paper is \#GbSh 741 in Shelah's list of publications.
Communicated by:
Stephen D. Smith
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2001,
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